NASA employs industrial engineers

Space industry

spaceman  📅 09.03.2015 15:30:20
Hello,
I am very interested in space travel and could very well imagine working there later, whether it is about research, engineering or the like. However, I would prefer project management, but that doesn't really matter at the moment.

My questions:
1) Do any of you work in the space industry or are you planning to do so? Do you really often deal with space travel there or is that very, very secondary?
2) What would you most likely recommend to come there and what are the job prospects there? I thought with a LuR technology degree I could have very good cards.

Would be happy for meaningful answers.
Have a good time.
technician1337  📅 09.03.2015 18:35:52
I once worked there. How much you really have to do with space travel varies greatly. There are projects where only the feasibility should be shown or some kind of test setup should be created. Space travel approaches 0.

Then there are other projects: With these it is clear that they will be used on the XYZ satellite in a few years. That's a cool thing then. Depending on the project phase, it has little to do with space travel at the beginning, but more in the end. Especially when the special components arrive. In other words: ICs that are radiation-resistant, can be used in a wide temperature range, etc.
Several models of each module are usually built. As I said: At the beginning it was rather "normal" engineering, at the end (flight model), space travel came in more and more.
The project I was part of was already very close to the final:
I carried out tests there in a high vacuum at around -100 ° C to + 100 ° C. Was also present in tests where circuits were shaken (there are special companies that do that). Was involved in the planning + drawing of the circuits.
I also wrote software. This is a completely different level of programming. And then comes testing, testing, testing ...
So far there was a lot of space travel. But there were also the "downsides": Documenting a lot, very precisely, writing long documents, etc.
Overall, THIS project was really cool. But also extremely stressful. In practice, the schedule is never adhered to, often something does not work as planned, etc. Under these conditions, there is also stress among colleagues.
Unfortunately, every now and then interesting projects are canceled or do not come at all. I.e. it is quite possible that you will work on something for a few years, which is then canceled due to lack of money ... to witness it yourself is of course a shame. And also kind of demotivating.

So much from my own experience.


Regarding future prospects: I advise against studying LuR technology. You limit yourself extremely to a handful of employers. You are also very dependent on politics: If Germany doesn't want to spend any more money on something, then your project (and possibly your job) will soon be gone.

I myself did not get started with a LuR technology degree. But I studied electrical engineering. Most in my department had that. We also had some physicists, computer scientists and related subjects with us. I know very few who have studied LuR engineering, but there are.

The skills that go beyond normal engineering are learned relatively quickly. That means I also had a sufficient foundation in electrical engineering. Only a few% of my work went beyond being an engineer.

What I'm getting at: do what interests you. Because if you can't find a job in such a company (or if you don't like it anymore), then you can always easily do something else. For example, after a few years there, I didn't like it anymore, there were some changes that I see as very negative. In the meantime I am somewhere else, it wasn't a problem to find something (because I don't just specialize in this one job).


So much for my opinion. A tip: Make sure that you can work for one of these companies as a student. Then getting started is much easier.
I would like to go to the Starfleet Academy :-)

Does anyone have any experience with this? Is this a university of applied sciences or a full university? What are the experiences of graduates like? Did you find a job quickly? Unfortunately, I don't find anything helpful on the Internet
FritzlKrakl  📅 09.03.2015 22:41:27
A second student wrote:
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> I would like to go to Starfleet Academy
> :-)
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this? Is this one
> FH or a full university? How are the experiences of
> Graduates? Did you find a job quickly?
> Unfortunately I don't find anything helpful on the Internet
>


Was there for a couple of months. But I got in the hair with such an arrogant fellow student, I think his name was Wesley Crusher or something. Pretty arrogant guy, like the whole SFA. It is more of a FH level and more for imaginary fools.

I'm now at the Klingon Academy on Qo'noS and much happier with it. Skills are still required!
spaceman  📅 10.03.2015 14:22:41
etechniker1337 wrote:
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> I HAVE worked there once. How much you really
> You have to do with space travel is whole
> different. There are projects that should only be
> Feasibility to be shown or any
> Test setup is created. Space travel goes against
> 0.
>
> Then there are other projects: These are the ones
> it is clear that they will be on satellite in a few years
> XYZ are used. That’s already one
> cool thing. Depending on the project phase, it starts at the beginning
> Little to do with space travel, in the end
> more. Especially when the special components
> come. In other words: ICs, which are radiation-proof,
> Can be used in a wide temperature range, etc.
> There are usually several of each module
> Models built. As I said: at the beginning more likely
> "normal" engineering work, at the end
> (Flight model) then comes more and more that
> Pure space travel.
> The project I was involved in was really exciting
> Finale to:
> I have tests there in a high vacuum at around -100 ° C
> carried out up to + 100 ° C. Was also with tests
> where circuits were shaken
> (There are special companies that do that). Was on
> involved in the planning + drawing of the circuits.
>
> I also wrote software. This is again
> a completely different level of programming. And
> then comes testing, testing, testing ...
> So far there was a lot of space travel. Gave
> but also the "downsides": a lot, a lot
> Document exactly, write long documents
> etc.
> Overall, THIS project was really cool. But
> also extremely stressful. That becomes practical
> Never adhered to the schedule, something often works
> Not as planned, etc. There are definitely with these
> Conditions also stress among colleagues.
> Unfortunately, they are also interesting every now and then
> Projects canceled or not coming at all.
> I.e. it is quite possible that you will spend a few years
> work on something, which then out of lack of money
> will be deleted ... I have seen it myself
> Of course, a shame. And somehow
> demotivating.
>
> So much from my own experience.
>
>
> On future prospects: I advise against
> Study LuR technology. You limit yourself with it
> extremely responsive to a handful of employers.
> Besides, you are very much into politics
> dependent: When Germany doesn't have money for something
> want to spend more, then your project (and
> maybe your job) gone soon.
>
> I don't have one myself to get started
> LuR technology course found. But I have
> Studied electrical engineering. Most of them had that in
> my department. We also had some physicists
> Computer scientists and related fields included.
> I know very few who study LuR technology
> have, but they exist.
>
> The skills beyond normal
> Going beyond engineering activities are relative
> learned quickly. That means also with electrical engineering
> I had sufficient fundamentals. Just a few %
> my activity went beyond normal
> Be an engineer.
>
> What I'm getting at: Do what you like
> interested. Because if you don't have a job in one of those
> Find a company (or you can't find it there
> like more), then you can still easily
> do something else. For example, I feel like it
> Didn't like there a few years ago
> some changes that I see very negatively.
> In the meantime I am completely somewhere else, I wasn't one either
> Problem to find something (because I'm not just
> I specialize in this one job).
>
>
> So much for my opinion. A tip: see that you
> already as a student at one of these companies
> can work. Then the entry works a lot
> easier.


Thank you for the detailed answer! So it sounds very different, but I think it's better than any office job.

How would you rate the chances of getting into really bigger companies like ESA, Nasa, SpaceX? Are there opportunities for students straight away, or are years of experience with top grades usually necessary?
Martian 123  📅 10.03.2015 15:06:36
spaceman wrote:
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> How would you judge the chances in times
> really bigger companies like ESA, Nasa, SpaceX
> to come in? Are there opportunities for
> Same as students, or is usually there for years
> Do you need experience with top marks?


Boy, please wake up from your dream world! Do you seriously believe that you can even apply to such 'companies'? Do you think you will send them an application after 2 semesters and then start as a working student at SpaceX 3 months later ?! A student from a normal university never gets in there! No way!
Nasa and Esa are not even companies but organizations or authorities, which means you cannot just apply there. They all choose their people themselves, and those who work there have certainly all studied at the elite universities of the world, ie MIT, CalTech, etc. A student at a non-elite university does not have the slightest chance. Even with a 1.0 degree in LuR technology and a top résumé you cannot get in there.
ESA  📅 10.03.2015 15:26:55
Martians123 wrote:
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> spaceman wrote:
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>> How would you judge the chances in times
>> really bigger companies like ESA, Nasa, SpaceX
>> to come in? Are there opportunities for
>> Students the same, or is there usually for years
>> Do you need experience with top marks?
>
>
> Boy, please wake up from your dream world
> on! Do you seriously believe that you can
> can advertise such 'companies' at all?
> Do you think you will just send them a ne
> Application after 2 semesters and then start 3
> Months later at SpaceX as a working student?!
> Never in life does there come a normal student
> Uni !!! No way!
> Nasa and Esa are not even companies, they are
> Organizations or authorities, that means you
> You can't just apply there.
> They all choose their own people, and they
> Everyone who works there is sure to have
> Studied elite universities in the world, i.e. MIT, CalTech
> etc. A student at a non-elite university has not
> the slightest chance. Even with a 1.0 degree
> You can get there with LuR technology and a top resume
> not in.

What nonsense If you have no idea just ...

But of course, only people with 1.0 degrees from Ivy League universities work at ESA in Darmstadt and every German there graduated with 0.8 and distinction. Funny that I know graduates of the TU Darmstadt who have studied Computational Engineering and work there without a perfect degree Even at NASA, not everyone will probably have studied at CalTec, MIT or Harvard beforehand. The problem is more that the positions are mostly advertised for projects and are therefore often limited in time.

Of course it is difficult to get into organizations like this. Simply because they are popular jobs and many people’s dream. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't try it in the first place and that everything that goes out about the 0815 business studies is to be dismissed as a dream. With good grades you can simply try your luck and otherwise with a degree in electrical engineering you still have the option of living the dream of every German philistine with a permanent position at an automotive company or automotive supplier

And of course you need good grades. Where do you not need good grades today?