Is considered middle class

New Mondeo viewed "in real" and ordered.

Today I had the pleasure of being able to see the new Mondeo "in real life" at a car show in Hilden. I also sat in there and you could see everything in peace.

According to the dealer, this was a zero-series vehicle that will go straight back to Cologne on Monday.

I made a very good impression. The interior looks high quality, the noise insulation (as far as you can judge it in the state) is very good.

I have already ordered the Mondeo as a company leasing vehicle.

It will be a tournament as Titanium 2.0 TDCi with PowerShift in Indic blue.

According to the dealer, however, the delivery of the first customer vehicles is not expected before April / May.

I took two pictures, they are attached.

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@ martini-tier wrote on October 11, 2014 at 4:06:50 pm:

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@gobang wrote on October 11, 2014 at 13:54:36:

In the article you can read:

"Adaptive dampers:

... toggling between the modes ... when this was not done via a direct switch, but was placed in a submenu of the on-board computer. Several clicks are required to achieve this, which distracts the pilot too much from the traffic situation. "

Now I wonder what this mindless savings mania is all about?

If I spend 1000 € extra on the adaptive dampers, I would also like to have the opportunity to use them in a practical manner.

I drive almost exclusively in the comfort position, but when there are tight bends or when I need to quickly overtake time-sensitive, I often press the sport mode when downshifting beforehand.

How is that supposed to work now?

Such a senseless mania for savings, I could be upset again without limits.

Those responsible should be cleaned.

And that should then be premium.

It was the same with the previous MK4. The Mondeo isn't a sports car, but a switch would be good. Only where would it be housed now so that it can be used immediately and spontaneously.

If I'm not mistaken, it was the case with the Mustang (or also Mondeo?) That when accelerating quickly, etc., the car automatically changes the driving mode in order to react differently when cornering, etc.

How well that works ... I'd also like to know. Apart from that, the Mondeo was good to drive towards the limit. I never had the feeling that the rear was about to overtake me (provided I knew the Ford chassis).

can you decide at some point what you want? First people always complain that there are too many buttons at Ford and they don't do it like the competition, now they do it like the premium competition via the menu, at BMW, Audi etc. it's only possible via these stupid pressure regulators in the center console, that's really stupid, and everyone wanted that, now Ford is also bringing these settings via the menu and people are complaining again, but wait and see and do a test drive, maybe you can use these suspension dampers also switch via voice control?!,

And besides, I don't think that Ford is suddenly too stupid to properly tune a chassis, I drive my Mondeo in the normal setting, whether at 80 km / h or 240 km / h, it lies neatly on the road, thinking about switching never me, and whether there is such a big difference? and that you have to switch to sport every time you overtake on a winding country road: D: D is silly in my eyes, but well, whoever likes it

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Originally written by martini-tier

Oh dear. Think again.

In the Passat there are only four-cylinders, that's the trend. For a V6 or V8 you have to go somewhere else.

Prejudice instead of driving one first and then judging.

I don't care what VW does, apart from that there is also a V6 (with 3.6 liters) in the current Passat. Personally, I want six-cylinder comfort in a beautiful limousine, it's simply a higher class due to its smooth running and acoustics. If you don't understand that, you've never seen a four- or six-cylinder in a direct comparison. Audi, BMW and Mercedes still offer six and even eight-cylinder units in the middle class (where the Mondeo operates). Besides, this has nothing to do with prejudice, but with physics.

But then he also falls out.

Nice that you want that. You can still make a lot out of a four-cylinder, and that's the way to go because of the regulations. The physics can be counteracted to teach a non-V6 some smooth running.

But you won't get a V6 in this class anymore. At least not in the (lower) middle class - there is the Mondeo !, whereas in the upper class there are (still) such engines (named Audi, BMW, Mercedes). So buy there, because that stays with new automobiles.

You can complain or get used to it because the trend won't change because of your opinion.

By the way, I've already driven both and I also understand why a V8 should be included in the Mustang's range. However, time does not turn backwards.

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Originally written by martini-tier

At least not in the (lower) middle class - that's where the Mondeo is!

Wrong, the Mondeo is a representative of the middle class, such as Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, Opel Insignia, VW Passat and Mercedes C. Lower middle class is Ford Focus, Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Opel Astra, VW Golf and Mercedes A.

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Originally written by martini-tier

At least not in the (lower) middle class - that's where the Mondeo is!

Wrong, the Mondeo is a representative of the middle class, such as Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, Opel Insignia, VW Passat and Mercedes C. Lower middle class is Ford Focus, Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Opel Astra, VW Golf and Mercedes A.

At KBA, they call the compact class the segment with Golf, Focus, Astra and Co.

Then middle class with Mondeo, Passat, A4, 3-series, C-class etc. and just "upper middle class" with A6, 5-series, E-class. I suspect it was meant in a similar way, since the middle class is just "split" in the reporting according to segments.

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Originally written by martini-tier

Oh dear. Think again.

In the Passat there is only four-cylinder, that's the trend. For a V6 or V8 you have to go somewhere else.

Prejudice instead of driving one first and then judging.

I don't care what VW does, apart from that there is also a V6 (with 3.6 liters) in the current Passat. Personally, I want six-cylinder comfort in a beautiful limousine, it's simply a higher class due to its smooth running and acoustics. If you don't understand that, you've never seen a four- or six-cylinder in direct comparison. Audi, BMW and Mercedes still offer six and even eight-cylinder units in the middle class (where the Mondeo operates). Besides, this has nothing to do with prejudice, but with physics.

Apples and pears comparison. :cool:

In the performance range that Ford offers with the Mondeo, BMW, Benz, Audi and the like do not have 6 cylinders these days. Only used "oldtimers".

At BMW e.g. goes up to 328i / 528i with 4 cylinders and 245PS. Only when a 35 appears at the end do 6 cylinders appear. And especially BMW, which became famous for their 6 cylinders, will not have given up for fun, but out of necessity.

As it said here, the Mustang also comes with a V8, which makes sense, even if I'm sure that 90% + of the Mustang in Germany will be ordered with the 2.3L Ecoboost.

For 200PS to 240PS you don't need a 6 cylinder in 2014 and in the future. Not even when it comes to comfort. My personal opinion. BMW, Mercedes, Mazda and Ford already had 6 cylinders.

I don't miss anything in my 2L Ecoboost.

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At least not in the (lower) middle class - that's where the Mondeo is!

Wrong, the Mondeo is a representative of the middle class, such as Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, Opel Insignia, VW Passat and Mercedes C. Lower middle class is Ford Focus, Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Opel Astra, VW Golf and Mercedes A.

Aha and where does the classification come from? Ask the Americans, they have a different one.

You don't want to tell me that you don't see any size difference between the Focus etc. and the A4, Mondeo etc.?

The Mondeo has more space than a 3, but it is not upper class. And that includes large engines with more cylinders.

bobbymotsch and messemann confirm exactly what I want to express with it.

Gosh, are you just pretending or you just don't want to understand the differences? You can't put everything into a scheme and scream when a member steps something over the boundary with one foot.

Write to Ford that they are middle class and therefore urgently need to offer a V6, because otherwise that would be a cheek in the class compared to the competition and also various features from Audi, Mercedes and BMW. Let's see what they tell you. Even a Mondeo ST would probably only get a 2.3 Ecoboost. The 2.7 would be possible, but to be honest, I don't believe in it. In any case, certainly not on the V6 3.5 Ecoboost.

Sorry, they just have different target groups.

The division of the cars into segments is not arbitrary by the KBA. It takes place through the very active participation of the VDA and every member.

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The division of the cars into segments is not arbitrary by the KBA. It takes place through the very active participation of the VDA and every member.

I am not saying that it is arbitrary. But there are different ones and here and there a model falls out of the scheme. Therefore there is still the prefix "under" / "upper" to differentiate between price and material quality etc. Dacia also builds a station wagon and an SUV. Still, don't really compare it with Focus Tunier and Kuga.

The segments are largely determined in Germany, despite the VDA. The Mondeo is there "middle class", which is not a quality criterion in itself, but a segment classification. This classification is primarily carried out by the manufacturer himself and some criteria. Since there are no idiots on either side, the models usually end up where they belong.

There are always tolerance cases, sometimes also tactically. Usually it is shaped by whether a manufacturer can still gain a segment through reclassification. Also not possible during the year. But whether an A7 counts as a luxury class, or counts with the A6, is okay.

But I don't see the Mondeo as a borderline case.

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But I don't see the Mondeo as a borderline case.

I do, and more in the upper direction. I once borrowed a Ford Mondeo 2.2 TDCI Tournament Mk4 (at that time also recorded a comprehensive report here, see here) and found it to be much more appealing than the BMW 318d E91 Touring, which was comparable at the time, in terms of its feel, look and comfort.

In a comparison test by AMG, the Mondeo Mk4 even won against a Mercedes W 204 (C - Class), and embarrassingly also in the actually classic Mercedes virtues: driving comfort, space, quality impression. It is precisely for this reason that it is a double shame that such a great and comfortable car no longer has a six-cylinder. Anyone who still knows the V6 unit from the Mk3 and has a weakness for fine engines will agree with me. Six-cylinder driving comfort cannot be achieved by any four-cylinder, physically simply not possible.

Sometimes I think the more unsuccessful the Mondeo is; the more it is mentioned that it belongs in a different segment.

Again: Ford D (VDA) basically determines where the guy comes in.

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Again: Ford D (VDA) basically determines where the guy comes in.

Might be. They are right anyway. No normal person would describe a vehicle that is around 4.80 meters long as a "lower middle class". The pricing and the range of available performance levels are also indications.

As long as the Astra station wagon with its 4.7m is still running in the compact class, the Mondeo is lower middle class.

If you wanted to align it strictly according to your criteria, a 3-series BMW would be among the compact cars.

But in addition to the pure external size, there are various other criteria, including the ancestral gallery.

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Aha and where does the classification come from?

This is officially classified as such. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelklasse

Let's see which counterattack will come again ...: rolleyes:

What's coming The realization that you don't want to understand.

I'll just do it for you. Color green. I'm just explaining to you that there is "Premium" (yes, Mercedes / BMW / Audi are not always premium everywhere) -Green, let's say light green.

Then there is dark green. It doesn't matter whether the Mondeo is "normal green" or "dark green".

No car is just "normal green", it has light and dark stripes.

But there is a light green (light green is available with prestige V6 / V8 engines and such games that would hardly be worthwhile for Ford / Opel / Mazda etc.).

Your reaction: GRÜÜÜÜÜÜÜN !!!!!

Of course, with similar equipment and engines, a Ford can also beat a Mercedes, etc.

And there is also the point, the 3 Series is e.g. smaller than the Ford. Both middle class. Most noticeable (see also "Sir Donalds" Post) The scheme does not fit 1: 1. As for the engine, yes ... that would be nice. But it is more than unlikely that Ford will offer another V6. But as I said, complain in Cologne.

In the past, all models have become longer from model to model, so the car doesn't move up a class. The competition is playing the same game.