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A theological comparison by Armin Risi from the magazine 'Wegbegleiter' No. 5/2001, pp. 163-169.
All notes in  and () brackets are from the author Armin Risi.
Jesus' identity from a Vedic point of view
A theological comparison by Armin RisiAgain and again I am asked the question: “Do the Vedic (ancient Indian) Sanskrit scriptures, which represent such a comprehensive revelation, also say something about Jesus? Do you describe him? Are you prophesying him? "
To put it up front: Jesus is not mentioned in the Vedic scriptures for the simple reason that they were largely written down before Jesus appeared. Rumors about passages in the text that are supposed to describe Jesus' appearance in India cannot be confirmed or arise from dubious translations.
Jesus' appearance is not directly prophesied, but closer examination can reveal amazing things. This should come as no surprise, for the divine revelations are not mutually exclusive but complementary. The diabolical (literally: “what divides, divides”) always begins where people no longer see the higher connections due to prejudice for their own convictions, but conceal, deny or demonize them.
Especially in this day and age, when many people all over the world in their insecurity are clinging even more tightly to the old framework of traditional ideas, it is necessary to question these imposed limits and ideally to overcome them. Or as a wise man once said: The walls that we have built between us do not reach up to heaven.
Is Jesus God?Opinions often differ on this question. This question was debated in early councils, and today each group has its own theory, each believed to be the only correct one.
Those who represent Jesus as God say that Jesus is God incarnate, who rose again after his act of redemption on the cross. The resurrection thus becomes the criterion for Jesus' godliness, because only Jesus rose from the dead.
Let us see what the apostles read on this question. A central point can be found in the Letter to the Philippians (3: 20-21): “We, on the other hand, are citizens of heaven. From there we also expect our Savior, Jesus Christ the Lord. He will transform our weak, ephemeral body so that it will be just as glorious as the body that he himself had at his resurrection. For he has the power to subject everything [even the matter of our body] to his rule. "(1)
As heretical as it sounds, nothing else is said here in the New Testament than that man's body can become “just as glorious” as the body of Jesus at his resurrection. In the Secret Revelation, it is said of the two Witnesses sent that they will also rise from death and physically ascend to heaven (Rev 11: 11-12), just like Jesus.
Although these findings invalidate many Christian claims to absoluteness, they fit exactly what Jesus said personally about himself and about his disciples and followers:
“No blind man can lead a blind man, otherwise they will both fall into the pit. No student is standing above his teacher. But when he's finished, he should how be his master ”(Lk 6.40)
“You have passed all tests with me. For this I will give you a share in the rule that my father has given me. When I have assumed my rule, you will eat and drink at my table ... "(Lk 22: 28-30)
“I assure you that whoever trusts me will do the deeds that I do. Yes, his deeds will surpass mine, for I am going to the Father. Then I will do whatever you ask if you will refer to me in doing so. Thus, through the Son, the glory of the Father will be seen. If you refer to me, I will grant you every request [and so it will be possible for you to do deeds that exceed mine]. ”(Jn 14.12-14)
Jesus and individual masteryWhen today beings from the spiritual world who have achieved this mastery demanded by Jesus and who use their words to draw people's attention to their own potential, these "ascended masters" are often rejected across the board in Christian circles, because what they say works beyond the traditionally recognized concepts. Those who take what has hitherto been believed to be everything, can often see nothing more than a threat or seduction in such words. But Jesus himself expected from man the mastery of the ego overcoming and the full knowledge of his own potential (“should be how his master ... his deeds will surpass mine ”).
Jesus' call is even more provocative: "You are gods." What is in the scriptures is incontrovertible. So God called those to whom He addressed His word gods. ”(Jn 10: 34f.)
We should be masters and gods! This is a completely suppressed concept in the Christian system. Because most religious priests and teachers do not or only incompletely pass this "truth that sets free" (Jn 8:32) on to people, the Spirit of God empowers other sources to pass this truth on to all those who want to hear. Because it is precisely today that individual mastery is required of people if they want to survive the onset of tribulation without harm to the soul. The causes of this damage to the soul are not only godlessness and decadence, but also religious arrogance and dogmatism.
So it is quite possible that spiritual sources reveal doctrines that further elaborate the words of Jesus, which he spoke two thousand years ago, and place them in a larger context: What does mastery mean? How can we reach you? So this is not a Luciferian presumption and not the hubris of the masters, but simply one of the many ways in which the meaningful Jesus word, which is often misunderstood in its real consequence, can be fulfilled: “Everyone who trusts me will also do the deeds that I do accomplish. Yes, his deeds will surpass mine ... "
In addition, these beings do not speak independently and on their own, but always in association with Jesus Christ, who often speaks himself. This appearance is not just a bluff of esotericism and the New Age, but also corresponds to a prophecy, even a promise from Jesus. This has already been confirmed by various new revelations, whereby the trap should be avoided, in a new dogmatism only accepting a single source as true (just Jakob Lorber, just Gabriele Wittek, just Adelma Vay, just Johannes Greber, etc.).
The Spirit of God is not limited, but always takes into account the personal capacities of the recipient, especially if they are already religiously biased. That is why today many new messages no longer reach people through "religious", but through "esoteric" channels.
Of course, one should not believe everything uncritically in this area either. Jesus' undogmatic and absolutely comprehensive criterion of differentiation always applies: "You can recognize it by the fruits."
Jesus speaks of "being one with God"The above quotations, which are directed against a false absolutization of Jesus, are not intended to diminish Jesus' importance in any way. To make it absolute means to claim that Jesus is God and that the Christian way is the only one and that all who do not believe this are lost. Those who claim this cite the following two Jesus statements as evidence: “I and the Father are one” and “I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me. "(Jn 10:30; 14,6)
With the first quote, note that Jesus does not say: I am the father but "I and the Father are one". That is a crucial difference.
When Jesus says, “I and my Father are one,” he is saying that he is Not the father is. However, he is one with the Father, because he is eternally and inseparably connected with him, because he makes known His will in perfect love: “I came from heaven, not so that I could mean Do the will, but the will of him who sent me ”(Jn 6:38)
In his own teachings, especially in chapters 12 to 17 of the Gospel of John, Jesus clearly states that Jesus and the Father are two different individuals: "12: 44-45: Whoever trusts me trusts not only me, but him who sent me. Whoever sees me sees him who sent me. 12:49: What I have told you is not of me; the father who sent me told me what to say and what to say. 13:13: You call me Teacher and Lord. You are right, I am: I am your Lord and Teacher. 14:28: ... I go to the Father, because He is more powerful than me. 15.1; 5: I am the real vine, and my father is the vine grower ... and you are the branches. 17:11: O holy Father, protect them by your divine power, so that they may become one, just as you and I are one. 17: 21-22: Just as you are in me and I in you, father, they too should be one in us. Then the world will believe that you sent me. I have given them the same glory that you have given me so that they are as inseparable as you and me. "
What Jesus says here about “being one with God” (i.e. being united in love with God) sounds very modern and “esoteric”. What he suggests here with just a few sentences is now being elaborated in an almost unlimited abundance by various sources. It is very likely that there are people who have achieved this oneness long before us. That these persons now (as "ascended masters") want to share their experiences and insights with us is a reaction of love, as it is natural for "older" brothers and sisters.
Here, too, it should be emphasized that one should always beware of diabolical influences. One recognizes them in particular by the fact that they want to undermine and poison this oneness in love with God, themselves and all other children of God. You can recognize them by these fruits.
The way, the truth and the lifeJesus says he is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through him. Why? Because Jesus comes from the Father and shows the way to the Father.
The point here is the question: What does "through me" mean? Thank God Jesus answered this question himself: “If you love me, you will follow my instructions ... Whoever accepts my instructions and obeys them really loves me ... Whoever loves me will follow my word; then my father will love him too, we will come to him and dwell with him "(Jn 14: 15; 21; 23)
So the only way that leads to God is the way that Jesus shows, and that is the way to go if you follow His instructions. As for the highest instruction, which contains all other instructions, Jesus also clearly said: “Love God your Father with all your heart, with all your will and with all your thoughts! This is the greatest and most important commandment. The second is equally important: love your fellow human beings like yourself! In these two commandments everything is summarized that the law and the prophets demand. "(Mt 22: 37-40, Mk 12: 28-31, Lk 10: 25-28)
Whoever takes this central commandment to heart and lives according to it, fulfills Jesus' highest, indeed only, wish and thereby shows that he / she truly loves Jesus.
The fundamental aspect of this highest commandment is: “Love yourself!” There are voices (masters, angels, high spirits) whose task it is to speak above all about what this self-love means in God's sense. Others speak more of the love of creation with all fellow beings, and others more of the love of God and of overcoming all ego illusions. All of these voices should not be separated or absolutized, but rather - symbolically speaking - be seen as rays of light that emanate from the sun in infinite numbers. The rays go in different directions, some go to Mercury, others to Venus, Earth, the moon, etc. Although the light rays are visible in completely different environments, they are ultimately not different, but always aspects of the same sun.
In other words, this means that Jesus' instructions, especially the absolute key function of love, are not only found in the Bible. They are to be found in the divine revelations of all cultures and of all times, and in all religions of the world there are people who follow these instructions voluntarily and with love. They have completely embarked on the path that Jesus shows, although they may not do so directly in His name. Jesus says: "Whoever accepts my instructions and obeys them really loves me."
This higher meaning of the said key passage also emerges from the new formulation of the standard translation: “I am the path that leads to truth and to life. There is no other way to the father. If you know me, you will also know my father. You already know him and have seen him ”(14: 6-7).
Jesus identity“You call me Teacher and Lord. You are right, I am: I am your Lord and Teacher. ”(Jn 13:13) If someone today, an earthly or a medial voice,“ only ”describes Jesus as a great Master, this is not wrong, because Jesus himself says: "You are right, I am."
Jesus was undeniably the Lord and Teacher of his followers, thereby fulfilling the role that is denoted in Hebrew by the word rabbi and in Sanskrit by the word guru. In fact, he was called Rabbi by the people, including the apostles. But among all gurus and rabbis, Jesus occupies a unique position, as is evident from the scriptures and also from his world-shaking effect.
Jesus himself revealed some hints about his spiritual position within the cosmos:
“God has given me unlimited authority in heaven and on earth” (Mt 28:18).
“I assure you, before Abraham was born, was I already there (or: before Abraham was, I was) ”(Jn 8:58).
"Father, now give me again the glory that I had with you before the world was created" (Jn 17: 5).
“I am the light that is above everything. I am the universe. All has emerged from me and all has come to me ”(Gospel of Thomas 77a).
This high identity of Jesus was also foretold by the prophets, for example by Micah (5,1): “Bethlehem ... as small as you are among the cities of Judah, from you he shall emerge who will become the ruler of Israel [in the New Jerusalem] should; its origin lies in the distant past. (Zurich Bible: Its origin is in prehistoric times, in unprecedented times.) "
The apostles recognized the same thing after being able to see and hear Jesus in his “glorified” form after the crucifixion. What they say in their letters corresponds to the self-revelations of Jesus and the statements of the ancient prophets:
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn son of the Father; he is the beginning of all creation. (Zurich Bible: the firstborn of all creation, because in him everything that is in the heavens and on earth was created.) Through him everything was created that lives in heaven and on earth, the visible and also the invisible powers and powers. God created everything through him, and in him everything finds its ultimate goal. He was there before everything else, and all things endure through him. ”(Colossians 1: 15-17)
“In the past, God spoke to our ancestors many times and in various ways through the prophets. But now, at the end of time, He has spoken to us through the Son whom He made to inherit all. Through him God created the worlds ... Through his mighty word he holds the universe together. "(Hebrews 1,1-3, Zurich Bible)
Who is the “firstborn of all creation”?Unrestricted authority in heaven and on earth; Glory before the world was made; the firstborn of all creation; the Son through whom God made the worlds - these qualities indicate Jesus' higher identity. From a Christian point of view he is also an incarnation, in the original sense of the word, a "entered into the flesh" (more ambiguously: "incarnate") high or highest divine being.
Anyone who knows the Vedic descriptions of creation, which are unique in their detail and scientific quality (summarized in the books by A. Risi, God and the gods and Invisible worlds), immediately recognizes in the quoted biblical references which unique identity incarnated as Jesus.In order to explain this here, we need to go a little further.
The Vedic sources reveal that the Kingdom of God, the Absolute Being, is unimaginable for us humans eternal present is. Eternity is not an infinitely long time, but precisely being beyond time, the timeless. The "infinitely long time" and "eternity", the "timeless", are clearly distinguished in Sanskrit, for which there are well-known standard terms: kâla and sat. Those who lose oneness with God's being (due to an abuse of free will) fall from the kingdom of sat in the range of kâla. To put it more succinctly: Those who fall are no longer timeless, but rather sat-go (sat-an)!
The timeless eternity is reflected in the infinite flow of time kâla in the form of an infinite but limited creation (the material as opposed to the spiritual, like shadows as opposed to light). God the Father is the absolute individuality in eternal being. Of course, God is not only father, but also mother, and not only primary creator, but even more, just as father and mother are more than “just” father and mother, namely also beloved and beloved. In a similar way this aspect is also contained in God, yes this absolute being is the origin of it. This is where the timeless union of the male and female primordial aspect can be found, it is the "unity of duality" in love. This most intimate aspect of God is fully revealed in the Vedic sources. God's name in this highest aspect of love is in Sanskrit Radha Krishna, and this name of God has long been sanctified in India.
When God undertakes creation, he does so in the role of God-Mother-Father, called in Sanskrit Shri-Vishnu. From God-Mother-Father comes the infinite creation within space and time, with an infinite number of universes. Schri-Vishnu animates each of these universes through the first being who is “born” within the respective universe. This firstborn Son of God is described in detail in the Vedic revelations and is often given “the word”. Because in the beginning there was the word ...
The very first Son of God in the highest plane of existence in the universe is called Brahmâ in Sanskrit. Brahmâ literally means "the great [all-encompassing in the universe] executor / expander / transformer [of divine primal energy in manifest creations]".
The name Brahmâ is mostly only known in the West in connection with the so-called "Indian Trinity" Brahmâ-Vishnu-Shiva. (It would lead too far here to also go into the role of Shivah). Brahma is the direct Son of God through whom all creation in the universe is accomplished; he is the first and highest being of light in the universe and emerged directly from God, the prime creator. Brahmâ is the demiurge of the universe, of which the Greek schools speak, and the Pantocrator, the "All-Ruler", which is a well-known expression in the Christian tradition that is always directly related to the "Son": Christ Pantocrator.
Brahmâ is both son and father, for he is the father of the universe through whom all living beings appear in creation, including the nearest angels. In this sense it is not wrong to designate Brahmā or the Christ Pantocrator as God, because as the Vedic remarks above showed, the term "God" has many aspects, including that of the Supreme Creator, both the Primordial Creator, God- Father (Vishnu), as well as the universal Creator (Brahmâ).
The revelation about this origin of the ensouled universe is not limited to the Vedic sources, but is also mentioned in Christian new revelations. A very clear parallel can be found in the book by Johannes Greber, The intercourse with the spirit world of God, P. 265: “[There are] seven sons of God. The whole world that has come into existence, except for the first-created Son of God, is not a direct creation of God like the first son, but is brought into being through the first-created Son, to whom God gave the creative power. "
Brahma incarnates on earthJust as Vishnu and Krishna appear as incarnations on earth, Brahmâ can also appear in one incarnation on earth. Since he is the supreme creator ("in him everything has been created that is in the heavens and on earth"), he always incarnates in those places in space-time where a new phase of creation is to be initiated, because only he as the creator has it Power and authorization to do so.
When such a cosmic turning point is imminent, Vishnu and Shiva also incarnate in addition to Brahmâ. As we know today, such a new phase of creation was initiated around two thousand years ago (and is to come to completion in our time). In this context, the Veda revelation identifies the incarnations Vishnu and Shivas: 500 BC Vishnu appeared as Buddha, and around 500 AD Shiva appeared as the great teacher Shankara. (2) Where and how Brahma incarnated is not directly apparent from the Veda sources. But they contain the prophecy that Brahma is not within, but within outside of the Vedic culture, namely in a culture of meat-eaters, which at that time, at the time of the prophecy, was hardly imaginable in India: that there will one day be cultures in which killing and eating animals is part of everyday life or even religion belongs.
Brahma appears by many namesJust as the firstborn Son of God is called Brahma in the highest plane of existence in the universe, he has other, corresponding names (and “incarnations”!) On other planes of existence. On our earthly plane he is known under the names Jeshua, Jesus, Christ, Messiah, Redeemer, Pantocrator etc. If it already has many names on earth, then especially in the higher dimensions.
One of the names of the higher dimensions, which has also become known on earth through media revelations, is Sananda. This name can also be found in Sanskrit - with the meaning "the blissful" (lat. Beatus) - and is very well known in the Veda Revelation. Just as Jesus was given titles like Christ and Pantocrator on earth, Sananda has, among other things, the title Kumara, which is also a well-known Sanskrit word meaning “first son; Prince; Inheritance of the father ”.
"But now God has spoken to us at the end of these days through the Son, whom he made the heir of all, through whom he also made the worlds." (Hebrews 1, 2)
From a Christian standpoint, these perspectives are unusual and quickly met with rejection. One is afraid of these strange names and ideas because they seem so different from the familiar and familiar. Those who make it easy for themselves immediately speak of "Luciferian" concepts, of heresy and end-time seduction - by using their own concepts as the yardstick for judging.
In doing so, Jesus clearly gave the true criterion: How far are the highest commandments taught and lived or undermined (not least “in the name of God” and “truth”)?
When Jesus told his disciples he still had them a lot to say, these and especially the later followers could not imagine what Jesus meant when he said “a lot”: “I still have a lot to say to you, but you cannot bear it now. But when that one comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you into the whole truth ... ”(Jn 16: 12-13)
Jesus' importance to the earthOnly when one recognizes Jesus 'inner identity as the firstborn Son of God thanks to the revelations of the New Testament can one also better recognize Jesus' unique position. This consists in the fact that he, as the highest being in the universe, descended into the deepest, densest matter and with his resurrection and "ascension" broke through the three-dimensional solidified matter in order to re-initiate the higher vibration and transformation of the condensed matter.
Letter to the Hebrews (1,3b-4): "Because he frees people from their sin, he has sat himself in heaven on the right side of him who has the highest power, and stands as high above the angels as the dignity, that God has given him is higher than their dignity. (Zurich Bible: ... and he has become so much more exalted than the angels as he inherited a more excellent name for them.) "
The sin from which Jesus delivered mankind is in this interpretation the fall of humanity into the third dimension, which was caused and promoted by the satanic forces. Only with extreme distance from God do certain souls fall into the extreme three-dimensional compression of matter, and this distance from God is demonstrated by humanity today in many ways. That is why she is in this crazy world and getting more and more entangled in a vicious circle.
Jesus continues to play a crucial role for the whole world today. He is the divine spirit of truth behind the entire transformation and behind the redemption of humanity from the third dimension up to the highest, eternal liberation from matter.
Even today - and above all today - people all over the world receive clarifying and further revelations through the spirit of truth, which often do not correspond to traditional expectations, because they are supposed to lead us beyond these man-made limits and ideas. The spirit of truth, which is revealed by the Father through the medium of the Son, also works behind this medial doorway. “I still have a lot to tell you ... What he [the spirit of truth] passes on to you, he has from me. Everything the father has is mine too. That is why I said to you: What the Spirit transmits to you, he has from me "(Jn 16: 12-15)
As has been shown in the past decades, Jesus in his various aspects was the main source behind the corresponding messages, which in great variety bring the message of ego-free, unconditional love. Here, too, Jesus' special role in the global “redemption from evil” is evident.
The gate is openThe above statements about Jesus' identity are based on the testimony of Jesus, the prophets and the apostles. They are also confirmed by later revelations. Nevertheless, in this “interreligious” consequence they are only hypothetical, like any theology. It is indisputable, however, that Jesus, in accordance with God's will and commission, opened a door that opens up high and highest goals to people: "I have opened a door for you that no one can close" (Rev 3: 8).
The opening of this gate back into the kingdom of God, the spiritual world, began - from a Vedic point of view - already before the beginning of the present age of darkness (Kali-yuga), mainly through the appearance of Krishna, through which God and the words of God (Bhagavad- gita, literally "God's song") were newly revealed. Within the Kali-yuga, humanity in all parts of the world was prepared for the final steps back to God by various messengers from God, in particular through the Son of God Jesus, who initiated and accompanied the conversion from the densest matter up to the present day and up to the “youngest " Day.
It is therefore not surprising that the dark forces pounced on Jesus above all and tried to render his work ineffective through institutions, false doctrines, relativizations and absolutizations. They know that the open door cannot be closed by anyone. But they want to distract people in such a way that nobody notices that the door is open. Then it remains open, but nobody goes through ..
However, this calculation will not work out because many people have already passed through this door and continue to do so, and from their higher level they are instructive and inspiring for all who are ready to do so.
Jesus opened the door not only for those who want to get out, but also for what is to come in: the divine light of love, which illuminates the darkness of the world and thereby reveals that we are all in truth “as inseparable as you are and I. "(Jn 17:22)
(1) Unless otherwise stated, the biblical quotations are based on the German standard translation, Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft Stuttgart, second. revised edition 1992.
(2) These comparisons also make the high identity of Jesus credible, because Jesus is in no way inferior to Buddha and Shankara in his positive effects.
According to the Vedic worldview, the universe is a multidimensional cosmos. There is not only the three-dimensional world visible to humans, but countless higher-dimensional worlds and beings that have a direct or indirect influence on the earth.
The kingdom of God (Krishna) is absolute being, the eternal presence. Via the divine light, matter is created as space-time energy, and God in His aspect as the all-embracing Creator (Vishnu) forms and animates the material universes. Brahmâ is the “firstborn son of God”, the “father”. He is the highest creative power within the universe and also incarnates within his own creation to serve God's plan of creation and redemption.
The gopuras (trapezoidal pyramids) stand at planetary places of power and remind people of the hierarchical order of dimensions. The top and the base run parallel, connected by widening floors; a symbolic representation of the cosmic devolution from the spiritual over the material-subtle to the coarse-condensed spheres. But they are all part of the same temple, in the center of which the shrine of Vishnu / Krishna is located.
The tallest temple pyramid in India (120 m) in Rangaksetra, South India.
The highest goal of life is revealed again and again on earth, also two thousand years ago, when the word of the loving father (shown here as Krishna, in contrast to the angry, vengeful “God”) came to people through and in Jesus. "Love God with all your heart, with all your will and with all your thoughts ... Father, hallowed be your name!"
[Editor's note: You can also read Armin Risi's interesting comments on questions from WB readers about this article. ]
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