Why don't people use MySpace anymore
Myspace vs. Facebook: Which social network for musicians and bands?
chama Nov 24, 2009 4:21 p.m. Reply
"But that is also not important when a band or a musician is looking for potential fans! It is not other bands, DJs or A & R's who buy the music, but normal people out there."
The problem is that e.g. only other musicians add me;)
There are hardly any normal private users left ...
Carlos (delamar) Nov 24, 2009 7:41 pm Answers
That's what I mean by that. You no longer reach potential fans on MySpace, but a lot of people who want to sell you their product. Not a good starting point in my opinion.
chama Nov 24, 2009 7:48 pm Answers
Now I sort all the contacts into lists on MySpace and am currently only friends with musicians. Not because I want to do something with them, but because I can see immediately when they upload something new.
MySpace has a massive spam problem. With me, some people just bomb their crap into the pin board, etc. The essentials just go under ...
At the moment I would tend to prefer Facebook + my own website ... and completely omit (or neglect) MySpace. Twitter doesn't have to be either. RSS, on the other hand, does.
raVen Nov 24, 2009 11:11 pm Answers
I disagree. MySpace is ideal for unknown or not so well known bands and artists. I gained a lot of fans and got to know a lot of musicians and already recorded collaboration songs with some from all over the world. On Facebook I only had people in the fan list that I know personally. How does this help me?
Even when I referred others to my Facebook fan page, they said, oh no, I already have contact with you on MySpace. And for most of them, like me, Facebook passes quickly.
I also prefer to follow my favorite bands on MySpace, for example. Hardly anything is added on Facebook. No news, no appearances etc.
Most of the tape pages fell asleep on acebook.
You can't upload music to Facebook either, and that's the biggest advertisement.
MySpace can be designed according to your own taste and I personally don't find the layout of Facebook nice. On the contrary.
I deleted my Facebook fan page because it didn't do me any good.
MySpace, on the other hand, has helped me a lot.
I don't think it's good when artists advertise on a different profile, but you can confirm the comments yourself or leave them alone.
I think MySpace should get a boost again.
chama Nov 24, 2009 11:17 pm Answers
Well then you have had the completely opposite experience as I did :)
So far I haven't found any "fans" there, but well, I don't spam any people there either.
I usually see the news of the bands at the same time on MS + FB, because many use a tool for this (write news once and have it published on MS, FB, blog and Twitter at the same time).
At FB you can very well upload music, there are tons of apps for that. If necessary, just a YT link would do it.
raVen Nov 24, 2009 11:26 pm Answers
I also don't spam people in full. I do not advertise on other sites. I only send requests to bands and musicians that I like. I never write to private people. I also listen to the music of all inquiries and thank you for the inquiry and write to you if I like your music. I hardly get any inquiries from bands from other genres.
80% of the friends list are people who sent me a request. I don't go looking and my motto is not the more friends the better.
But if I have, for example, a musician with whom I write again and again, there is a request from another musician who is friends with him, etc. And some fans of other bands also go to my profile and that's how I gained some fans.
Of course there are exceptions.
As I said, on Facebook I only had people I know as fans. How should people from all over the world find me there if they don't know me?
chama Nov 24, 2009 11:34 PM
Now that sounds more like you have 90% bands and 10% users as contacts.
"As I said, on Facebook I only had people I know as fans. How should people from all over the world find me there if they don't know me."
It's simple: When someone becomes a "fan" of your band, all of their friends will see it too. The indirect word of mouth effect is simply greater than that of MS.
And your new music pops up with people in the middle of the messages from their circle of friends ... so it is more noticeable but without disturbing.
Maybe you should tackle the subject of FB again ...
raVen Nov 24, 2009 11:46 pm Answers
@chama: Haha, that's right, I have more musicians on my friends list, but I have contact with many and we exchange ideas. ^^ But not 90%.
I think I'll do a test on Facebook. But I know bands that have 300-500 people on the gigs and a handful of fans on the FB page.
Let's see what comes out of it. ;-)
I wish you a pleasant evening! :)
lo-so Nov 25, 2009 12:06 p.m. Answers
definitely myspace! made the coolest contacts on myspace. and yes, everyone can design their own layout. i don't like facebook at all anymore. we're getting worse ... pure garbage!
Leep Nov 27, 2009 6:55 am
For me personally, Facebook is irrelevant and Myspace is a gold mine. However, I am also in the pro area.
I get most of the gig requests through Myspace. All remix and label inquiries come through Myspace. And even consumers have already written to me that they only found and bought my music on the basis of Myspace.
My tip: I am very economical with updates. Some follow the concept that you should play yourself more in the center and be present. I do the opposite, because I think that you even lose attention as a result: very little and above all very quietly and discreetly - but staged in the right place. In my opinion, this gives me the advantage that - when I upload a new release or something similar - I get a lot of attention and people are still curious. I made the experience with other projects that many people simply switch off in their heads when they write too much and many people are just annoyed. Especially where a lot of people are very pushy on Myspace.
In the meantime, people say jokingly: "The worse the music, the more aggressively it is spam".
Facebook is also up and running with most of my colleagues, but personally I find it a lot inscrutable to replace Myspace. So from the musician side.
For me, Facebook is more of an international www.wer-wissen-wen.de for friends, neighbors, former classmates and party friends, etc. It is a great network of people who know each other and, in my opinion, it will be even more popular.
But that doesn't say anything about whether you reach more people for your music with a presence!
My experience is more like Raven's ...
Greetings from outta space
chama Nov 27, 2009 1:37 PM
Well, you are now "only" listing business contacts (remixes / licensing / gigs).
It was more about "It's not other bands, DJs or A & R's who buy the music, but normal people out there."
Good, but of course a "real" band earns a lot more through remixes / licensing / gigs than through download sales;)
Is there some kind of "tutorial" on how to start on MySpace somewhere? I currently only have my favorite producers in the "Producer" list.
Inquiries usually come only from other amateur producers who want to promote their tracks - but mostly not of interest to me.
I read somewhere that you should graze the fans of your favorite producers and send them to the inquiries?
I mean people don't come to my profile on their own, if only by chance ...
raVen Nov 27, 2009 1:56 p.m. Answers
Well, how do you get fans? Through gigs and contacts.
I've also received invitations from labels, music magazines and promoters on MySpace.
I think if, for example, an organizer does an open air and, for example, a band is canceled or an act is missing, they go looking. You can enter, for example: Music - Germany - Rock and bands are listed there. They go to listen to a few and if one fits, they write to them.
By the way, I made the Facebook page and 18 of my friends are fans. But they already know my music ... And now? Now the page is probably falling asleep again. People can't figure it out on their own. I would have to spam people full so that they take a look at the site. So the problem with full spam would be more because of Facebook. I'm not going to do that now and see what happens. I placed advertising for my FB fansite on my HP and MySpace.
I also asked other musicians and none of them were very enthusiastic about FB. You would have won new fans on MySpace without spam.
They come by themselves when you are already in contact with 3-4 people. That goes like wildfire.
For example, I make instrumental guitar sound and get a lot of requests from guitarists. And when I write a comment to thank you, I usually get 2-3 inquiries and they write by themselves. You would have found me on this and that page and they like my music and where they could buy a CD from me.
Something like that doesn’t happen with FB. As I said, I'm not going to look. You can't force anyone to do anything. You either like the music or you don't.
But I'm curious what will come out of my FB experiment. ;-)
chama Nov 27, 2009 2:12 pm
"Well, how do you get fans? Through gigs and contacts."
Tell that to a pure studio musician! ;-)
So for business contacts, MS is definitely the first choice, but I doubt that you can even find private users with high purchasing power ... and they won't find me by searching either.
So I have to come up with something else ... and the friend inquiries aren't that bad either. It's not like that I spit in the guestbook of all friends with every little piece of news :)
Leep Nov 27, 2009 3:36 pm
So at the beginning I would post a lot of comments for "better known" and above all similar artists / bands. Calls (e.g. listen to my music) are more and more rejected. "Thanks for add" is boring with snoring! Which actually always goes down well when you notice that it is not just copy and paste and that someone is making an effort. Ideally, it even specifically addresses the music in the player.
The whole thing, of course, only after you have your own songs in the player - it could be that someone really listens to it.
Otherwise, I actually like to write a blog with topics that may be of interest. E.g. any opinions you represent (Myspace vs Facebook) and stimulate people to discuss and make them curious. Nothing offensive, of course.
Otherwise just enter the Myspace link wherever you are on the Internet! That also makes a big difference. Also sometimes in non-musician forums where you are registered. Or here if you write a comment. Such links (which are replaced with an icon) are great because they are optional and you don't intrude on others. Only for people who are really curious.
Sweetans Nov 28, 2009 8:31 pm Answers
facebook is the last trend shit. That’s nothing for musicians !!! You can do a lot more on Myspace, especially advertising with a clear layout. Facebook is something for normal people, Myspace is more for people with unusual musical tastes, e.g. metal
Dec 01, 2009 11:50 p.m. Answers
I also have to say that facebook makes it difficult for the musicians. Trying to upload music to the band's website is a mixture of annoyance and gambling.
(I haven't succeeded until today - so if someone knows how to do it - please tell me!)
myspace works much better and is especially useful as a "replacement" or addition to a normal website. I think that it will continue for a long time on this way. Facebook is simply too standardized and boring.
Marc Shake Sep 06, 2010 1:27 PM
I connected my Soundcloud account to Facebook. Then it's relatively simple. :)
raVen Dec 02, 2009 12:36 am Answers
@spocht: I linked my Facebook page to my ReverbNation account. But it still doesn't do me any good, despite advertising and linking to all of my accounts that I have ...
Steve Jan 14, 2010 8:32 am
The statistics on compete.com are all well and good. But it doesn't say too much on the subject. First, it is not broken down by country. If the access numbers for FB increase worldwide, this is not necessarily relevant for someone who only operates in Germany. And you don't learn anything about the motivation of the visitors or about the establishment of contacts and their quality. Ultimately, it does nothing to answer the question of whether a musician in German-speaking countries should give preference to one or the other. It is not an argument for Facebook or against mySpace, but above all beautifully colorful (but not nearly as colorful as mySpace).
Ivo Siemonsmeier Apr 10, 2010 12:25 p.m. Answers
Since the motto "Everyone is his own star" can be implemented technically today, it is important to understand what service you render to other people when you present / impose music on them.
My positive experiences are based on a good gut feeling from the start, patience and a long-term orientation. I think it doesn't matter which platform you use.
You get interesting if you stay exciting. The constantly babbling class bullshit is funny in a few moments, but annoying most of the time. For the others, the quiet cool guy is who can also listen from time to time. the topic of conversation.
Every now and then he lets out a really good joke, which is even reported in the school newspapers and writes reasonably good grades. Sometimes in German (myspace) sometimes in physics (facebook).
It may be a necessity to do both. I would like to first find out whether facebook is necessary for me. The train that is just starting is not always the right one. But the article and the comments gave me food for thought. Thanks a lot for this
moccioso Aug 13, 2010 10:01 PM
mah, i think ms now only serves as a homepage where you can find the musician, since every musician already has his ms.
but because of all the spam, the users have simply turned off. they have understood that they are part of the spammers themselves, who are hardly interested in the music of others, but only in the marketing of their own. this knowledge is crucial.
then ms tried to curb the spamming. now you can't even invite all fans to your events with one click. you have to laboriously invite them all individually. you can't send newsletters to all fans either, you have to write to each of them individually. that's bullshit. this is why so many bots (spam tools) have been developed for ms (also for fb).
because of these pitfalls I prefer fb. With a soundcloud player, you can easily upload your own songs there. i also use it for ms. I don't even need to upload the songs twice. newsletter click. event invitation click (here, too, there are small restrictions, but they can easily be circumvented .. I really don't understand why you do this so that you lose time on your platform).
i have to say on fb i get 2-3 friend requests every day without doing anything, at ms 1-2 come every 2 weeks if it goes well. and on ms I have 35,000 views. So not 0. I think people are just fed up with it. only advertising, no communication between people. download here download there. free free free. I'll turn on the television right away!
from my point of view, ms cut its own fingers. so newsletters and event invitations. these are important things. and yet so simple things.
Ferd Nov 15, 2010 12:24 am
MySpace still has a high value for musicians, because Myspace does not raise any rights to the uploaded images or music files.
Especially the latter, Facebook automatically tears itself under the nail. You have to provide the following with your "signature" if you want to upload your own music to a band page on Facebook:
"I confirm that I have granted Facebook a worldwide, free, non-exclusive license to use, reproduce, distribute, broadcast and publicly perform all audio recordings I upload to Facebook in accordance with Facebook's Declaration of Rights and Obligations. I am aware that I am solely responsible for all licensing, reporting and payment obligations to third parties, if applicable. "
I don't know any musician who has uploaded music to Facebook, and that most likely won't happen as long as the record company isn't called Facebook.
At best, Facebook can be used as a mouthpiece. A site where you can get in touch with people.Because I have to admit, Facebook makes it easier to establish or maintain contacts and it is also clearer. But it is better not to lose more than words here. Music is uploaded to Myspace, videos on Youtube and Facebook are advertised and linked.
NiWi May 30, 2011 10:25 am Answers
@Ferd: maybe you can help me: if Facebook is allowed to reproduce and distribute the uploaded songs, does that actually mean that the songs belong to them? The word non-exclusive seems to me to mean that the musicians continue to have their rights to the songs.
I would be interested in whether the right of reproduction etc. expires as soon as the songs are removed from the account? Thanks in advance for an answer!
Thomas "thommytulpe" Nimmesgern May 30th, 2011 1:40 pm Answers
Aha: a "license for reproduction, distribution, broadcasting and public performance" - I'll think three times about uploading my songs to Facebook.
I think I already know the answer. :-) ... but provided that the conditions are now (May 2011) still them, as Ferd quoted them.
Thank you, Ferd, for pointing this out! Facebook is not there for musicians, but musicians are there for Facebook - Farcebook.
Manuel 29 Dec 2016 2:16 p.m. Answers
I'm 7 years from the future and I want to announce to you that MySpace is dead. But the problem of missing music listeners only exists on SoundCloud in 2016.
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